The Hurting Hockey Player Who Felt Sorry For Himself: Dave Scatchard

The Hurting Hockey Player Who Felt Sorry For Himself: Dave Scatchard


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My guest for Episode #59 is Dave Scatchard, a retired National Hockey League player who now serves others as a coach through his practice, All Star Coaching.

Dave played for 6 different NHL teams, from 1997 to 2011, scoring 128 goals in 659 games. Before making the NHL, the team that drafted him, the Vancouver Canucks, wanted him to shift his playing style from “goal scorer” to “tough guy.” This led to many fights, at least five concussions, and post-retirement injuries had led to a three-year period full of pain, memory loss, and struggle.

Having recovered, Dave now shares a systematic approach for both businesses and individuals to redesign their lives and operating systems and live a healthier, brighter future with all of the abundance that goes along with living what he calls “The Big Life.” He has a book coming out in a few months, with that title.

In today's episode, Dave shares his compelling and dramatic story. Beyond his medical recovery, why was it helpful for Tony Robbins to curse at him on stage, demanding to know, “Why are you hurting those people?” by not stepping up to help others. How did helping others accelerate his own personal progress?

Dave talks about his “favorite mistake” of spending three years cursing his former career, asking God why he was punishing him, and looking at himself as a victim. He talks about the importance of his faith, his amazing recovery, and the power of positivity in this special episode.

Update (9/23/21): Dave has now published his book, The Comeback: My Journey through Heaven and Hell

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Mark Graban (0s):

Episode 59, Dave Scatchard former NHL player.

Dave Scatchard (7s):

If you feel like you made a mistake, realize that it's not a mistake, that this is part of the game that you were supposed to learn something.

Mark Graban (21s):

I'm Mark Graban. This is My Favorite Mistake. In this podcast, you'll hear business leaders and other really interesting people talking about their favorite mistakes, because we all make mistakes, but what matters is learning from our mistakes instead of repeating them over and over again. So this is the place for honest reflection and conversation, personal growth and professional success. Visit our website at For show notes, links, and more, go to MarkGraban/mistake59. Please subscribe, rate, and review. And now on with the show,.

Mark Graban (1m 2s):

I'm real excited that we're joined today by Dave Scatchard. So I'll tell you more about him in a minute, but one thing about Dave, he played in the National Hockey League for six different teams for 1997 to 2011. He scored 128 goals in 659 games, including 27 for the New York Islanders in 2002, 2003. So before telling you a little bit more about what Dave is doing now, first off, Dave, thank you so much for being a guest. How are you?

Dave Scatchard (1m 29s):

Yeah, Mark. You're welcome, man. Let's do this. Let's rock and roll.

Mark Graban (1m 32s):

So I moved my wife and I moved from Phoenix. We used to go to Coyotes games. We moved probably months before you started playing there. Otherwise I would have seen you on the ice.

Dave Scatchard (1m 43s):

Well, you would, you didn't miss. Much of my time in my time in Phoenix was just a really weird time. And you know, Wayne Gretzky was my coach, which is amazing. He is my idol growing up and Shane Doan was my buddy and stuff, but I never really felt like my career. They, it was like, they didn't really know how to use me. They didn't know if I was a fighter or a goal score or a power forward or a power play guy. They didn't really know how to use me. And I didn't really ever feel like really great in Phoenix. It was weird. Like it was like a long, it was like an hour drive to the rink every day.

Dave Scatchard (2m 25s):

And by the time you get there, your legs are already shot. And like, your sunlight is setting, you know, you're driving right into that Phoenix traffic heading out to the stadium and it's just like, Ugh, I never really felt comfortable playing here. And you know, maybe I should have asked for a trade or maybe I should have just played better. But I don't know. I never felt like I was really working it the way that I would have really loved to hear. Cause it's an amazing place to live and raise a family, which I'm doing now. But to play hockey just seemed weird. Well, it's gotta strange because when the

Mark Graban (3m 0s):

Season starts, it's still a hundred degrees outside when you're driving to practice or the game like that.

Dave Scatchard (3m 6s):

Well, yeah, and I never had allergies like in New York or Vancouver or Boston, I never had allergies ever. And then like this time of year in April, it's the, they have all these emsquite trees and all these things blooming. And I swear to you my eyes, like even today to this day, I struggle with allergies during this time of year. And this is not what I want to get off on the podcast. I don't want it. It doesn't mean any positivity. I'm a positive guy, but it's just funny that we're starting here. Cause yeah, you're right. Like I would show up at the rink, just sneezing, like crazy and kind of tired and my eyes would be itchy and I'm like, what's going on? I never figured it out until like almost my last year here that I had major allergies to everything that's, you know, blossoming down here.

Dave Scatchard (3m 49s):

So it's kind of funny.

Mark Graban (3m 52s):

So you weren't quite at peak performance, but that's what they, it helps people with. Now he works as a coach. He has a company All Star Coaching. You can find his website, Dave w we'll learn more about this today. I'm sure he's got a systematic approach for both businesses and individuals to redesign their lives and to live a healthier, brighter future with the abundance goes along with living what he calls the big life. And he also has a program called the Dave stature peak performance coaching program. So we'll get to talk about that more. But Dave is, as we usually do here on the podcast, I'm curious to hear your story about, you know, what, what do you consider to be your favorite mistake?

Dave Scatchard (4m 35s):

Yeah. And you know, since we talked, I, I checked out some of the things that you've done and it's like, you know, I really liked this concept. Mine might not fit into the box that some of the others do because it wasn't really a mistake. So to speak, it was kind of part of my life's journey, but it was almost the way that I learned to react to it later on after it happened, that I'm the most proud of, and that really transformed my life and my business. And it's what I teach today. And to give you a little backstory, I'd received my fifth concussion while playing with St. Louis Blues farm team in Peoria, I was knocked unconscious.

Dave Scatchard (5m 19s):

I had a crazy near-death experience and I don't want to get into it totally deep cause I won't do it justice on this podcast, but I did write a book about it, which will be out a few months. It's kind of exciting called the comeback, my journey through heaven and hell. But when I came back after this near death experience in seeing the light, seeing God seeing the light, my life was just, just destroyed. And so to speak, my brain wasn't working. I had five places in my brain that had micro hemorrhaging and the cognitive function wasn't working in my brain. So my thought process was delayed and retarded, meaning it was just slow.

Dave Scatchard (6m 2s):

It took me a long time to be able to, you know, share my thoughts even as I'm going back to it. I have trouble getting the words out because I get emotional because I was terrified and I had no memory. I was on Alzheimer's medication. So there were times when my wife would ask me to do something as simple as going to get three products from the grocery store, I'd drive up there. I completely forget why I'm even at the grocery store. I would call her. She would tell me at the grocery store, I need like milk, eggs and bananas, like easy.

Dave Scatchard (6m 42s):

And I'd start to walk down the aisles to try to go get one of those things. And after like four or five steps, I completely forget again what, what she just said. So I called her back and she feels sorry for me. And tell me, you need to go get the eggs. So I'd hang up. I start walking towards the eggs and it would just disappear. And this was like my life. And here I am like 36 years old. My brain is just broken. Nothing's working. I can't figure stuff out. I've got five properties in three countries. Multi-million dollar properties. I've got, I had a photographic memory as a kid and now I have no memory. So it's almost like, why is God punishing me? Like, I felt like I was being punished.

Dave Scatchard (7m 23s):

I was in so much pain and my headaches were so bad. I would just hide in my movie theater. And just like to be honest, I, I drink sometimes to put myself to sleep because the pain was just, it felt like I had a spike stuck through my head. And after three years of therapy, two or three days a week at the Mayo Clinic, they brought me in and they said, okay, Dave, unfortunately, we've done every protocol that we know about TBIs and brain injuries and cognitive therapy and vestibular rehab and all this stuff. We were letting you go like, you just have permanent discipline,

Mark Graban (8m 7s):

But they didn't know what else to do for treatment.

Dave Scatchard (8m 10s):

And I'm sitting there like, what are you talking about? Like I'm 36 or 37 at the time. I'm like, how am I going to live another 50 or 60 years? Like this? It was, it was terrifying. So I get back to my car, leave the hospital. And it was just balling. And I don't want to tell my wife cause I don't want to burden her. I don't want to tell my parents because they're worried about me already. I don't want to tell my kids. Cause I feel like I'm a bad dad already. And I literally drove away from there with like no idea about how I'm going to get through the next 50 years of my life. And I'm cursing a God. And I'm saying, why are you abandoning me? I know you're real. Like I saw you. We talk like, why would you punish me like this anyways?

Dave Scatchard (8m 52s):

I don't take that diagnosis at face value. I just said, there's gotta be a way that I have to get better. I can't, there's no way I can stay like this forever. So I hired a life coach. I did everything totally backwards. I hired a life coach. I didn't even really know what a life coach was. But I spent like, I think at the time it was like $10,000 on this guy. And he goes, if you ever get better, what do you want to do? And I said, I want to help people out of suffering. I don't want it. Anybody ever feel like the way I'm feeling right now? Because it makes me want to like yeah, in my life. And I know that that's like a strong language, but that's how I really felt. I didn't know how I was going to like contribute to the world ever again.

Dave Scatchard (9m 36s):

It seemed like I was just like, and he said, well, there's this program that Tony Robbins does called Leadership Academy. It's in San Diego. I think if you go there, it would be for you an exit at the time I wanted to help young kids as well, young athletes and stuff. So I wanted to help people out, Oh, they're suffering an athlete. So I made the drive to San Diego, which is the farthest I've driven in three years. And it's just me like time and God I'm like having, I'm praying. I'm like, I need a miracle. Like I don't know what's going to happen. If this doesn't work. I don't know if I want to be around. And I ended up having to pull over a nap a couple of times because the, this the how fragile, I was like, I went from like the Lamborghini to like this, like just car wreck on the side of the road.

Dave Scatchard (10m 28s):

You know, that's how my body and brain felt broken. And I said, I need a miracle. And I go up to this thing in San Diego, after having a nap, two naps while I'm driving, I pull in and the, just the sound of it is absolutely terrifying to me because there's, you know, Tony Robbins, like everybody's jumping up and down and music pumping. And like, I can't even like it's overload for my system. So I go with them sitting outside. Yeah. On the curb crying. This guy named Scott Humphreys, who's Tony, his wife's brother recognized me from the Canucks and he's like a Vancouver guy.

Dave Scatchard (11m 9s):

And he's like Dave Scatcher and I'm like, yeah. He's like, Hey, how are you doing? I'm like, ah, not very good. And he goes, come talk to me. So he brought me in and he said, you know, you're kind of VIP. We kind of want you to like experience the whole thing. Let me introduce you to some of these platinum partners and long story short, I ended up going down this whole Tony Robbins tunnel. And the funny thing was, Tony doesn't even teach leadership Academy, which is hilarious. Like I'm there to see Tony and he doesn't eat. He's not even there. So I'll, I'll, I'll make this really quick. But I, the first miracle I had was when I realized how much armor that I had stacked over my heart and my soul and really hurt.

Dave Scatchard (11m 54s):

I was emotionally and physically the fact that it didn't have an identity anymore. I wasn't a hockey player. Like who was I? What was I here for? And then the second one was reconnecting to this like version of myself that was like completely pure, no heartbreak, no disappointment, no jadedness. I just trusted everyone. I trusted life. And I was really like had faith. And it's funny that I talk like this about God, cause like I never went to church as a kid, like nothing. So now here I am like telling you my story.

Dave Scatchard (12m 35s):

And I'm like, wow. Like it's funny that God would pick me out of all people to be, to share my story. When I don't even know the Bible very well or anything, it's just like my life experience. So I go on this crazy mission for like two years, traveling the world and meeting all these crazy energy healers and monks and shamen and grandmasters. And I like I'm stroking checks everywhere. Just hiring these people to like fix me. I'm like, I'm desperate, right? Like what good is the rest of my life? If I can't function. So truthfully, after two years of that, I started in an actually Tony was the one that challenged me.

Dave Scatchard (13m 21s):

He said, why aren't you helping anybody right now? And I'm like,

Mark Graban (13m 24s):

What do you mean? You're you were focused on yourself and fixing your, getting, getting your life back on track to be fair. Right.

Dave Scatchard (13m 31s):

100%. And I said, well, I'm, I'm still not even right myself. And this is in front of like a room full of 3000 people. He's like, you know, he's swearing at me. He was like F you he's like you chicken shit like screaming at me. And like, he's like, you're being selfish. He goes, you don't think there's one person in this room of 3000. You could help today. You played in the NHL. You're, you're overcoming it. You're coming out of this pit that you've been stuck in for years. You don't think that part of your mission now in life, the reason why you came back is to help people. He's like you're being, you know, and he called me every name of the

Mark Graban (14m 10s):

Did this reminded, did some hockey coaches talk to you that way faster?

Dave Scatchard (14m 14s):

They did. But I don't think they had the strategy that Tony did because Tony knew how much I loved people. And he knew that in order to get me to move, he had to go after like my, my, like what matters to me most. And I would never hurt anybody. He's like, why are you hurting all these people? And I'm like hurting them. What are you talking about? He's like, they're waiting in line for you to help. And you're screwing around trying to get a logo and an LLC and like, get your head perfect. And he's like, after that, like, so yeah, he's the one that told me to get certified under his group. And then I started helping athletes and I was helping some NHL guys. And then I started work entrepreneurs and businessmen, and I just really fell in love with them because the hockey guys have they're, they're physical trainers, they've got diet and meal plans and they've got like financial planners and they've got all this stuff like lined up where the entrepreneurs it's like usually by themselves, solo preneur, trying to hustle and grind and figure life out.

Dave Scatchard (15m 15s):

And sometimes they just need somebody to like talk, you know, play pitch and catch with, with ideas. And I was really lucky business wise. I had multiple businesses and multiple properties. And so I had that background and what was interesting was as I began to help other people, my healing actually started to accelerate because it was like, God knew that like, okay, I need you to be operating at a higher level now because it's not about me anymore. What was funny was I think I shared this with you. Yeah, no, there's this moment when I was brushing my teeth and it was like, God was talking to me through my own eyes. And the message was, you know, Dave, I'm so sorry that I had to put you in hell for three years.

Dave Scatchard (15m 60s):

But the people that are going to be coming to you are going to be coming from all different areas of life. And if you didn't understand some of that darkness, you couldn't show them the way out. And I just like, I was like, Oh my goodness. Like, it all made sense to me. So when you're asking me about my, my favorite mistake, I went from looking at myself as a victim and saying, why me? I could have played another five years. I mean, great shape. I'm strong. I'm I'm, you know, this, that the other thing I could have made millions of dollars could have won a Stanley cup, like screw that, that wasn't, that wasn't the plan, the plan all along.

Dave Scatchard (16m 40s):

Why God put me in that place was to give me the compassion and understanding of people that are going through anxiety, fear, depression, rebuilding transition, loss of identity, like, shoot. That was me. I lived through that. So the easiest way to coach somebody is on something that you've lived through and experienced. And now that's led us to here. And I look at those injuries in my head. Yes, it would have been nice to play longer than NHL, but I had a great run and you know, I got to set myself up financially. I met the woman of my dreams in New York while I was playing and she was modeling and we have this beautiful life. We've got healthy kids. We've got a great home. Like I've got everything. So it's not even about me right now.

Dave Scatchard (17m 21s):

It's about me getting to share all this knowledge that I absorbed or the last 10 years over the last decade with everyone who hasn't got an opportunity to learn that stuff yet. And that's why, you know, I look at that injury. Like the last injury is like, it wasn't the worst thing that ever happened to me. It's probably the greatest thing that ever happened to me. And to be able to change the observer on those situations that are so painful can actually liberate you and free you to heal. And now I'm grateful for it.

Mark Graban (17m 54s):

I, I appreciate I admire the positivity because you know what I was, you know, at one point wondering, you know, you, you, you ha you, you described, you know, five concussions and my gosh, it might've been more, it might've been five that were officially diagnosed as much as players get hit in the game. I mean, it was, it was, it sounds like maybe there, I mean, was there ever a point where you were resentful toward hockey for that, or it sounds like then you're not in that place now. Yeah,

Dave Scatchard (18m 27s):

No, not now, but for those three years I didn't watch a game. I felt like I, everyone just turned their back on me. Like here I am fighting for my life and scrambling. And like, nobody's checking in on Dave to see how I'm doing. Nobody like no NHLPA no NHL, no, none of my teams, they were actually trying to force me to basically sign off and say that I was okay, so that they wouldn't have to keep paying my medical. Cause you know, and in this, another thing, like I stroke, like I think I had written 80 or a hundred thousand dollars in medical bills of my own that weren't covered from the NHL.

Dave Scatchard (19m 14s):

Just, just to try to like help myself get better. And I was like, I wasn't really getting a lot of support or coaching or help or counseling or nothing. And I really think that there's a lack of that. I mean, I hope somebody out there is listening because this is what I do for a living every day of my life. And I will help any player anytime. Like if you're with NHL or NHLPA, call me and I'll help these guys for free, I don't care, but there's a lack of it in our league and in our game when guys leave. And yes, I do coach NHL guys that are done with the game now and they're paying customers, but I'd like to be able to be part of a program and help these guys because they'll share things with me that they won't share with a psychologist or a doctor or, or other people because I've been to war with them.

Dave Scatchard (20m 4s):

They, they know that I'm one of them,

Mark Graban (20m 6s):

But if there's a brotherhood there, well, I, I think it's really powerful. The way you said a couple of minutes ago is a really food for thought, helping others accelerated your own healing and recovery. I mean that that's, that's really, that's, that's a powerful message.

Dave Scatchard (20m 26s):

It's 100% true. And anybody out there, you know, if I've got, if I've got clients that are going through darkness or depression, oftentimes I'll ask them like who they might be able to help or who that they, cause it's almost like they're going internal and they're like cutting themselves off from the rest of the world and they're going dark. And when you're helping somebody else, you're stepping back into the light. So it's almost like it's not about you anymore or what was me. It's like, you're trying to help somebody else. And then as you help them, then you're actually getting blessed back. So, you know, I do this challenge for free. We've done it for over 10,000 people. And you know, I know that the majority of the people will never carry on with any of my coaching, but I don't, that's not the game here.

Dave Scatchard (21m 12s):

The game here is to help as many people as humanly possible. And then, you know, people want to keep going. They have the opportunity to, but it's a free challenge. So like, I want like tens of thousands of people in these things. Cause then like everybody's winning. And like my whole life right now is about win-win win. Like I win you win. And humanity wins. Like why can't we do that as a, as a world? That's my, that's my big dream. And it like breaks my heart. When I see the crap that's going on politically with, with, with just everything. There's so many different agendas being run right now that it breaks my heart. And I would just love us all to just like connect and love each other.

Dave Scatchard (21m 55s):

Like we're brothers and sisters and help each other out. Like, that's the message that God gave me. When I came back just to love everyone. Like they're your brother and your sister and share this love and grace and unconditional joy with everyone. Why do we have to be in heaven to feel this like freedom and like the release of the burden and the weight and the stress and the worry and the doubt. We should be able to live that way here and thrive. That's my dream. So I know we're going a little deeper than we probably planned, but it's like, this is the world I live in bro. And it's like, I just, I've seen it thousands and thousands of times, these operating systems that are going on in people's heads and I'm like, they're not living by their, by their agenda.

Dave Scatchard (22m 43s):

They're there, they're brainwashed into thinking like, this is how life is, and this is how you have to be. And this is how you have to act. And this is what you have to say. And it's so sad that somebody's individuality is lost in the brainwashing. That's been passed down culturally through generations and generations. I mean, there's a funny story. Like, but this is just how it goes. There's a lady and she cuts the end off her roast. And she puts her roast in the oven. And I don't know at some holiday meal and her daughter's watching her and she said, mom, why do you do that? And she said, well, my mom did that.

Dave Scatchard (23m 23s):

And it just made, I guess it makes it taste better. So then grandma's there and she goes, well, no, I, I, I don't know why I do it. So then they called great grandma and great-grandma goes, well, I just cut the end off because it wouldn't fit

Mark Graban (23m 39s):

Well. Yeah, these habits and these traditions sometimes get passed down with, without understanding why. Yeah.

Dave Scatchard (23m 48s):

Dad worked his ass off in the coal mines in Alberta. And you know, my mom was a bank teller and then became a stay at home mom. And we lived paycheck to paycheck and we didn't have a lot, but his dad did the same thing and his dad did the same thing. And were their thoughts about money is that it's hard. And that you have to like work the night shift and you have to work 16 hours a day and you have to spin penny pinch and save everything and listen. There's pieces of that. Okay. I get, but that is not how life has to be. And I would really rather work smart and efficiently and effectively and find ways to create income or passive income where I make money while I sleep, then have to be slugging it out in the coal mines in the middle of the night and missing my family growing up.

Dave Scatchard (24m 34s):

And my dad was amazing. He coached me my whole career and he's my idol and God rest his soul. He's in heaven now. But you know that whatever he was taught, like I think I was the one that broke that run because it seemed to go back for generations and generations

Mark Graban (24m 51s):

Patterns or the way lives played out

Dave Scatchard (24m 55s):

Belief systems, right? Limiting belief systems. Like there's, there's things that your mom or dad or grandma taught you that probably weren't even their own ideas. They were probably just taught that by their parents or their teachers or their principals or their pastors. Like there comes a time when I want to design this life. I want to create and design this life the way that I want it to be. And that's why I created this challenge. They'll reawaken the champion within challenge. And we did it and it was incredible. But Mark, my challenge used to be called the, get your life together challenge. So everyone that was coming to me, you can imagine the state that they were in, if that's the messaging

Mark Graban (25m 35s):

In your marketing. And it was

Dave Scatchard (25m 37s):

A lot of heavy lifting and I love these guys to death, but I'm like, you know what, let's shed a little bit more light on this because everyone's had their champion moments in life and they've all done something great or epic, even if it's only one time in your life that I truly believe makes time stands still or makes things just shifted in the universe where it's like, Whoa, what just happened there? That was like magical. Cause that magical part is actually the true reality, not this other rat race reality that we're all programmed into thinking is normal. So just having that awareness that there might be another way for people is so liberating.

Dave Scatchard (26m 17s):

And so freeing and the explosiveness of the transformations that people have when they're doing the work is like mind blowing to me and like, and I'm coaching it, but I'm like, Oh my God, they get it. Like this is working like, Holy crap. Like it's not like it's not therapy where it's like 10 years of stuff. This happens in like seven sessions. Like it's pretty wild.

Mark Graban (26m 40s):

How can people learn about that challenge? Yeah. You can go

Dave Scatchard (26m 44s):

To I think that I shared the link with you. If not, I'll share it with you after, but you know, on Instagram, it's in my profile on it, we're running a bunch of marketing and stuff. My Facebook, same thing, Twitter. I just posted about something just two seconds ago with the signup link in it. So I'm just at Dave scattered on all those. And then my business page is Dave Scatchard Peak Performance Coaching.

Mark Graban (27m 14s):


Dave Scatchard (27m 14s):

And yeah, it's just a, this is really special. What's what's happening and about to happen because this isn't anything to do with, with me at the moment. It's a bigger movement than this. And I mean, I'm looking at our challenge group inside my Facebook page and there's 4,000 people in there all just super supportive and, and, and loving. And it's pretty special, man. So this is for anybody, any shape, color, religion, you're all accepted. I don't care about anything. All I want to do is make you guys champions again and realize how special you are and how unique you are and that God doesn't make mistakes.

Dave Scatchard (27m 57s):

And I just want my dream is that, you know, we get to be in front of more people and that we can help them awake in the champion that's within them and get them back on track or get help them through transition or help them make another million dollars or $10 million. It doesn't matter where you are on your journey, that this is going to help you. And that's a special thing about it. And I'm just grateful that I get to do this now. And it truly makes me emotional and happy because I think this is why I was put on this earth. I, the hockey is great. And I think that gave me a platform to speak from, but I really think that this is really what I'm supposed to be doing.

Dave Scatchard (28m 41s):

So I hope you join me. And I hope you come and tell me that you came in from it, hearing this podcast. It'll make me smile and you know, coming and share with the group, what, what excites you in life? And, and we'll get after this thing and wow, nine more days, April 21st. We're going for it. So look forward to seeing you all in there.

Mark Graban (29m 4s):

Well, I hope people will check that out. And, and Dave, you know, I'm glad you're doing so much better now than you were years ago. It's really, it's a, you know, a powerful testimony to different places. You found strength in positivity from, from coaches and faith, and really appreciate you sharing that with us today. And, and there's a lot of opportunity for you to help other people, like you said,

Dave Scatchard (29m 33s):

Amen, man. Well, I appreciate it. I'm happy to, and I'll keep doing what you're doing. I think it's a good, and I think you help a lot of people as

Mark Graban (29m 43s):

Well. Well, we'll try. And you know, like you were saying earlier, Dave, I mean, you know, the point of the podcast here is not for anybody to feel sorry for themselves or wallow in mistakes, but it's an opportunity to, to learn and to grow and to move forward. So thank you for sharing some of that with us here today.

Dave Scatchard (30m 2s):

Yeah. I mean, if you don't mind, I'll just wrap a wrap with like exactly what you're just talking about. Like everyone, if, if you feel like you made a mistake, like realize that it's not a mistake, that this is part of the game that you were supposed to learn, something that you were supposed to grow from it that you were supposed to bring more energy to it, that something needed to shift that it wasn't quite right or that it was a, it was a compass and it was pointing you the other direction. Okay. We were going down this direction. That's not working that, but it can turn you around and point you in the right direction. So I'm grateful for those things where it's like, Hey, I'm not by myself.

Dave Scatchard (30m 42s):

I'm actually being guided down this whole journey of life. And any of those so-called mistakes or failures were actually like information. And if we'd not having the emotional attachment to the information and change the information and bring more energy and when energy and information come together, then they become coherent and you actually get it. And you have those aha moments. You're like, Oh wow, if that didn't happen, then this wouldn't happen. And I guarantee you that there's moments in your life where those exact things transpired. And at the time you're like, why is this going on? And then like, no, why am I getting traded from the Vancouver Canucks? And I got pebble Barry and Mark Messier, and then McGinley all these great guys to the New York Islanders who are bankrupt, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah.

Dave Scatchard (31m 25s):

Well, I had to go there to get ice time to be with the right guys, the right group, to meet the woman of my dreams to meet my future wife. Like it was all perfect, but when it's going on, you're like, what the hell is going on to this? You know what I mean? And those were some of my greatest years of my life. So just stick with it. Don't panic, everything's divine and guided and you're not alone in this journey. So yeah, that's about it.

Mark Graban (31m 56s):

Well, Dave that's well said very powerfully spoken. So again, our guest today has been Dave Scatchard. You can learn more about him, him and his work. You can also go to and again, we'll have links to all the show notes. So Dave really appreciate the opportunity to meet you here. And thank you. Thank you for being a guest today. You're welcome. Thanks for having me. Well, thanks again to Dave Scatchard for being our guest today for show notes and links to the different programs, the free challenge and everything else he offers, you can go to Thanks for listening. If you liked the episode, please share it with somebody, share it with a friend, posts, something about it on LinkedIn or social media that would really help spread the word about our podcast.

Mark Graban (32m 43s):

And I hope this podcast inspires you to reflect on your own mistakes, how you can learn from them or turn them into a positive I've had listeners tell me they've started being more open and honest about mistakes and their work. And they're trying to create a workplace culture where it's safe to speak up about problems because that leads to more improvement and better business results. If you have feedback or a story to share, you can email me And again, our website is

Mark Graban is an internationally-recognized consultant, author, and professional speaker who has worked in healthcare, manufacturing, and startups. His latest book is Measures of Success: React Less, Lead Better, Improve More. He is author of the Shingo Award-winning books Lean Hospitals and Healthcare Kaizen, as well as The Executive Guide to Healthcare Kaizen. He also published the anthology Practicing Lean that benefits the Louise H. Batz Patient Safety Foundation, where Mark is a board member. Mark is also a Senior Advisor to the technology company KaiNexus. He is also a Senior Advisor and Director of Strategic Marketing with the healthcare advisory firm, Value Capture.