Needing to Be Right, Staying Too Long, and Expecting the Organization to Love You Back: AmyJo Mattheis

Needing to Be Right, Staying Too Long, and Expecting the Organization to Love You Back: AmyJo Mattheis


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My guest for Episode #69 is AmyJo Mattheis, the founder and CEO of her firm Pavo Navigation Consulting.

She has worked in international development, government, higher education, and religion — a professor and a pastor. Works a lot with high-tech startups… she has managed teams, built roadmaps, facilitated groups, navigated boards, set vision, and led thousands of people to bring them into form.

Questions and topics include:

  • What were AmyJo's three favorite mistakes?
    • Needing to know the answer (or thinking I had to be right)
    • Staying too long in a job
    • Expecting the organization to “love you back” (even if that's a church)
  • How do you learn it’s a problem?
  • Somatic indicators – signals? 
  • Is it fixable? Is it mine to fix? Advice: set a timeline to see if it can be better
  • Knowledge vs. assumption
  • Being right vs. testing hypotheses
  • Coaches people all the time who beat themselves up over mistakes — accepted part of the culture
  • Believing it was my responsibility to make everything right or successful
  • Founders in Silicon Valley and Venture Capital firms… fail fast, fail early?  Easier said than done

“I am exactly where I am meant to be, doing what I am supposed to do, at the exact time and place it is needed. All of where I have been now culminates into a potent product that brings results of increase for all and a new pathway to profit for you, your company, organization, or institution.”

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"I think that instead of arguing it to be right, what I do now is allow for curiosity to lead instead of being right to lead."
"I keep in mind [fail fast, fail early] is a phrase meant for the product designers and the engineers. Companies are a whole lot more than that."
"It doesn't have to be this way, but most workplaces actually operate like that without psychological safety."

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Mark Graban is an internationally-recognized consultant, author, and professional speaker who has worked in healthcare, manufacturing, and startups. His latest book is Measures of Success: React Less, Lead Better, Improve More. He is author of the Shingo Award-winning books Lean Hospitals and Healthcare Kaizen, as well as The Executive Guide to Healthcare Kaizen. He also published the anthology Practicing Lean that benefits the Louise H. Batz Patient Safety Foundation, where Mark is a board member. Mark is also a Senior Advisor to the technology company KaiNexus. He is also a Senior Advisor and Director of Strategic Marketing with the healthcare advisory firm, Value Capture.