Two Bosses Who Didn’t Like Each Other: Lori Baker-Schena (With Bonus Episode)

Two Bosses Who Didn’t Like Each Other: Lori Baker-Schena (With Bonus Episode)

My guest for Episode #48 of “the My Favorite Mistake” podcast is Lori-Baker Schena, a professional speaker and leadership consultant based in Southern California. She has a PhD in organizational leadership and is a co-founder of the LeadHERship Consortium.

She is currently on her third career. She was a journalist and PR person, then a professor for 25 years, now she's a coach and speaker.

In our episode today, Lori tells a story about her “favorite mistake,” related to staying too long in a role where she had two different bosses who not only didn't work together well — they didn't like each other! Lori regrets that it took too long for her to realize the situation was unworkable, but she learned from it.

We talk about how people react to bad situations, how we can “ask for what we need” and why that can be difficult, especially for women. How can you be in a situation where you love what you're doing at work. I mention Rich Sheridan and Menlo Innovations, the movie “Office Space,” and the Apple TV+ Plus “Ted Lasso.” Also, how can we get past “the shame of failure” and “pivot to positivity”?

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Here is a follow up bonus episode with one additional question about having two bosses, and a little more conversation on that:


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Enter to win books by other “My Favorite Mistake” guests.


"...not only did I have to report to two bosses, but these two bosses didn't like each other."

"It really taught me so much about politics, about asking for what you need..."

"It's really important to pivot to the positive because it's our only choice being negative, never moved anybody forward."

"One of the biggest heartbreaks for me is the way society shames failure. If we don't fail, we never learn."

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Mark Graban is an internationally-recognized consultant, author, and professional speaker who has worked in healthcare, manufacturing, and startups. His latest book is Measures of Success: React Less, Lead Better, Improve More. He is author of the Shingo Award-winning books Lean Hospitals and Healthcare Kaizen, as well as The Executive Guide to Healthcare Kaizen. He also published the anthology Practicing Lean that benefits the Louise H. Batz Patient Safety Foundation, where Mark is a board member. Mark is also a Senior Advisor to the technology company KaiNexus. He is also a Senior Advisor and Director of Strategic Marketing with the healthcare advisory firm, Value Capture.